MSGI Congressional Hearing Recap - House Small Business Committee Hearing “Utilization of Small Contractors in the Infrastructure Plan”

 

MSGI Congressional Hearing Recap

Committee: House Small Business Committee, Subcommittee on Contracting and Infrastructure

Hearing Title: “Utilization of Small Contractors in the Infrastructure Plan”

Subcommittee Chair: Representative Kweisi Mfume (D-MD)

Ranking Member: Representative Maria Salazar (R-FL)

Date: June 10, 2021

Witnesses

Ms. Sheila Ohrenberg

National President, Women Construction Owners and Executives (WCOE)

President, Sorella Group

Testimony

Mr. Ralph Thomas III

Executive Director Emeritus, National Association of Minority Contractors (NAMC)

Attorney, Law Offices of Ralph C. Thomas III PLLC

Testimony

Mr. Josh Bone

Executive Director

ELECTRI International

Testimony

Dr. Annie Mecias-Murphy

Co-Owner & President

JA&M Developing Corp.

Testimony

Main Issues Discussed

Participation of Minority-Owned and Women-Owned Small Businesses 

• Chair Mfume (D-MD) Questions:
• Mr. Thomas, please detail your experience with Amtrak.
• Response: We were working through the Department of Transportation’s (DOT) DBE program on the project.  We performed within budget and on time, the goal was 15% actual action was 17%. The excuse of “we can't find minority businesses” no longer and should never apply.
• Mr. Boon, do recruitment strategies change based on the segment of the population you are trying to attract? How can we attract women and minorities more effectively?
• Response: We must use different methods. Women bring a lot of new skill sets, there are a lot of misconceptions that construction is male driven. We need to educate young girls that this industry is changing, such as shifting to off-site construction and is increasingly driven by technology.
• Mr. Thomas, what are the biggest obstacles that need to be addressed in the infrastructure bill to reach minorities?
• Response: We need a stronger approach to compliance and enforcement. The DOT has a 10% contracting goal for disadvantaged small businesses. However, 23/50 states do not comply or hit this goal, they ask for waivers. Organizations should be funded for the purpose of identifying small, disadvantaged contractors, since many people are unaware.  If Sole source threshold was higher, it would create more opportunities, smaller companies would like this.

Timely Payment to Contractors 

• Ranking Member Salazar (R-FL) Question: 
• Mr. Boon, I am concerned about delays in payments to subcontractors. Can you expand on your suggestion on getting paid on time?
• Response: Capital is king, small businesses have limited funds. When you are a subcontractor of a subcontractor of a subcontractor, it takes a long time to get money. I suggest expanded opportunities for these businesses to work directly with the large companies.
• Response from Dr. Macias-Murphy: Paid when paid clause, can be 60, 90, 120 days – very detrimental to small businesses who don’t have large reserves of money. Prompt payment is a theory rather than a reality. 
• Ranking Member Salazar (R-FL) Question: 
• Mr. Boon, how can Congress help? 
• Response: The paperwork, the bureaucratic part is the problematic – there needs to be a quicker way of going through the leaps and hurdles.

Project Labor Agreements (PLAs), the PRO Act, Unions

• Ranking Member Salazar (R-FL) Question: 
• Dr. Mecias- Murphy, explain the issue of favoring unionized workers over non-unionized workers. What would this look like?
• Response: It would completely take us out from being able to bid on these projects. 80% of the workforce is not part of a union, we would not qualify. 
• Chair Mfume (D-MD) Question: 
• Mr. Boon, can you talk about the importance of unions?
• Response: Electri is not affiliated with unions, but National Electrical Contractors Association (NECA) has no issues - we haven’t seen strikes. 
• Representative Meuser (R-PA) Question: 
• I am favorable to trades. Unions have great apprenticeship programs. However, PLAs are not inclusionary. This is the reason companies have issues with them. The PRO Act removes state rights, states should be able to determine such things on their own. Dr. Mecias-Murphy, how would the PRO Act effect your business?
• Response: The increase in taxes would be harmful. It would impact us financially in a huge way. There was a 3–4-month delay of projects during COVID, we went 4-6 months with no new projects. 
• Representative Newman (D-IL) Question: 
• More than 80% of the time when there is a PLA in place it is beneficial. PLAs require a very specific payment chronology on top of the federal law. PLAs don’t exclude non-unions; they just protect unions and promote safety. Dr. Mecias-Murphy, what are the top 3 things that frustrate you about PLAs?
• Response: First, PLA’s restrict businesses like a “merit-based company” if the certain provisions in the PLA aren’t in place. Second, is the issue of protesting. I will be the one who had to deal with the strikes from labor unions. Third, the increased cost for having unions on the jobs, I have seen this in Florida.

Tax Increases in the American Jobs Plan

• Ranking Member Salazar (R-FL) Question: 
• Dr. Mecias-Murphy, how did the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act help you?
• Response: We experienced a lot of cash flow; my employee was able to purchase their first home.

Labor Shortage & Workforce Development

• Representative Newman (D-IL) Question: 
• Mr. Thomas, can you share what would be helpful to you with workforce training and development?
• Response: We were happy to see more funds for workforce development projected in the American Jobs Plan, but the focus must be on diversity. There hasn’t been a move towards workforce development in DOT since 2017.
• Representative Hagedorn (R-MN) Question: 
• Labor shortage is a huge problem. We must encourage our Governors to forgo extra unemployment benefits – people need to be pushed into the workforce. I have introduced H.R. 2691, a bill that would permit 529 plans (tax advantage savings plan for saving for future education costs) to be used for certain non-degree technical training certificate programs and apprenticeship programs. Dr. Mecias -Murphy, how have you encouraged workforce development?
• Response: We have been able to go into Boys and Girls clubs and expose the students to our industry. We have seen that working with middle and high school students is very important, it exposes students to the future of work. From this effort, close to 40 students have been hired by one of our member companies.

Organizational Protesting

• Representative Stauber (R-MN) Question: 
• Currently there is a pipeline replacement project in Minnesota. This project will supply jobs for small contractors and should be celebrated. However, Democrats are bussing in protestors from large cities and disrupting the process. Dr. Mecias-Murphy, what are the dangers of protestors showing up? What would this do to your small businesses?
• Response: Safety is important to us. People don’t realize that a day of delay can be catastrophic. It can delay you two or four weeks sometimes. It also disrupts cash flow for small businesses -workers cannot go into work, then they cannot get paid. The Biden Administration has cancelled Keystone Pipeline project, ruining many small business contracting opportunities.